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romney has a perspective that says if we cut taxes, skewed towards the wealthy and roll back regulations, that we'll be better off. i have a different view. i think we have got to invest in education and training. i think it's important for us to develop new sources of energy here in america. that we change our tax code to make sure we're helping small businesses and companies here in the united states, that we take some of the money we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild america. now it ultimately is going to be up to the voters to you, which path we should take. are we going to double down on the top-down economic policies that helped get us into this mess, or embrace a new economic patriotism, that says america does best when the middle class does best. >> governor romney two minutes. >> romney: thing you jim. i'm i'm -- pleased to be here with the president and to be here. and congratulations to you, mr. president, i'm sure this is the most romantic place you could imagine here with me. [ laughter ] >> romney: i have had the occasion of meet
fundamentally to the issue of taxes, at least for mitt romney. the romney memo says that mitt romney will not raise taxes on anyone and that he will deliver tax cuts for the middle class. sounds pretty good, but the brookings tax policy center took a look at this issue, and here is what they found. under mitt romney 95% of americans making under $200,000 would have a tax increase averaging $2,000 while the wealthiest americans would see tax cuts of up to $86,000 per year. and his claim that he can give the wealthy those tax breaks and still close the deficit, that claim is mathematically impossible according to the tax policy center. romney's fuzzy math has put his surrogates in a bit of a tough spot. here is paul ryan trying to explain the impossible on fox us in yesterday. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away deductions. and we'll get to that. the first half lowering the tax rates does that cost $5 trillion -- >> no. >> you haven't given me the math. >> oh, it would take me too long to go throug
defend his own position, his tax plan is a gigantic win for the rich. he doesn't care about 47% of the country, and the list goes on and on. i would go on the offense. how do you go on the offense against president obama? you can't attack him from the right wing position, because obama is center right any way. and you can't go further right or you would like crazy. i would attack him from the left. you say, mitt romney is not the progressive, you're right. who cares. the media is not going to call that out. if mitt romney did a full attack on president obama from a progressive perspective, that would actually work, and he would get to say i care about the middle class this guy obviously doesn't. how would he do it? let me show you the numbers, we have 8.1% unemployment. if you add in the 8.2 million under employed, and the 2.5 million people who say they would love a job but are discouraged and not looking any more you actually got 23 million people in this country who want a job and who can't get one. i say, president obama what did you do? you said you're for the middle class
challenged a premise this tax rates at the top should come down. >> it would be a huge mistake to take the dollars we gain from closing loopholes and put them into reducing rates for the highest income brackets rather than into reducing the deficit. the reality is any path forward on tax reform that promises to cut rates will either end up failing to reduce the deficit, or failing to protect the middle class from a net tax increase. >> eliot: senator schumer suggested allowing the rates to return to the prebush rate. of course republicans were quick to pounce on shumers new approach be old attacks. mitch mcconnell said, and i quote . . . for more on the mayhem in washington, i'm joined by one of your favorites bernie sanders,ent senator of vermont. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: is chuck schumer right that we could challenge the premise that rates at the top should come down. >> of course schumer is right. what the republicans want to do and some democrats is lower the tax rates for the wealthiest people in this country at a time
for the employed, tax cuts for the middle class. saving homes cross my heart and hope to die. i, mitt romney, believe in all of these things. but i do not like the way the present administration is doing them. so just turn them over to me and i will do all of them. i will do more of them. i will do them better and the doing of them will not cost anybody anything. now, mitt romney would surely win the golden pinocchio. suffice it to say he told so many whoppers, too many to recount here. we're going to air our top mitt debate lies throughout tonight's show. let's start with the biggy. taxes. >> romney: first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. my view is we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. my number one principle is there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> jennifer: the tax cuts. remember how he said he would lower the rates on everybody by 20%? that's on his web site, part of his tax plan? that lowering of the rates costs $5 trillion. now, he says he wants to make the tax cut
kinds of medicare fraud. the total cost to tax payers $430 million. they have caught almost 1500 people who have stolen more than $4.8 billion of your taxpayer money. there are also results of a study out today that says access to free birth control leads to fewer teen pregnancies and lower rates of abortion. they tracked 9,000 with women over the course of two years. as a result, the numbers of uning wanted teen pregnancies and terminationed dropped dramatically. this comes at the same time that the affordable care act gives free access to contraception for women. and we were talking about how conservatives are coming out with all sorts of conspiracy theories of why the unemployment rate went down. mitt romney says we didn't add as many jobs and more people dropped out of the work force. what if that is not true the number went up not down. back with more after the break. commentary. >> the idea that he could criticize the president on the down grading, when he led the charge to block a resolution. outrageous. (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight
. the debate focus around the economy as we knew it would and the candidates traded jabs over tax policies for the middle class. >> romney: under the president's policies middle income americans have been buried. they've been crushed. i will not under any circumstances, raise taxes on middle income families. >> obama: now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> romney is saying he would push for tax relief is another flip-flop. from his statement a few weeks ago that we should not expect a huge cut in taxes if he's elected president. we'll do some fact checking for you in the next current news update. despite the lies and contradictions from romney, a new cnn poll says 67% of voters do think he won the debate. more bill press coming up after the break. stay with us. you're about to watch an ad message created by a current tv viewer for capella university. matter. education is the key. it is the vehicle. it's the way in which we evolve. every journey is different every possibility is uni
that you will never raise taxes? and on the president on the flip side. if he has the same configuration in congress, how is he going to get the pledge signers to agree to compromise on anything. >> cenk: i think i would love to ask them two questions. one is about civil liberties. do you think that the president of the united states of america has the right to execute u.s. citizens abroad without a trial in without due process. i would love to see the president's answer on that. because he has done it. i would love to see mitt romney say yes or no on that issue, and of course the most important thing is campaign finance reform. 84% of americans believe that money has a corrupting influence on politics what would you do specifically to try to stop the influence of money in politics. i know the president favors a constitutional amendment, and i don't know that romney has any plan, so i would love to hear his answer. >> john: that's a great question. and we want to know what you think as well to keep on tweeting. when we come back michael shure will join us from san fr
-dollar in tax cuts to pay for the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> cenk: that was pretty good! you should have done it last night with 67 million people watching. all right well what happened instead, mitt romney attacked him over and over again. on this line about taking $716 billion out of medicare. how many times did he say it? count along with us. >> romney: medicare for current retirees he's cutting $716 billion. because of those $716 billion in cuts. 716--$716 billion--$716 billion. you're going to see a $716 billion cut to medicare. and the president support taking $716 billion out of that program. >> cenk: he said it ten times! and every time literally screaming in the studios in new york going hit him back! that's not true! say it isn't true! instead, this is what president obama said. >> obama: um um, um, and um, and and um, now, um um, you know that may not-- >> cenk: oooh! because of that he found himself in the middle of a ring going hey, what's going on? where did mitt go? oh no, he's on the top rung. we didn't want to see that
are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive. it isn't elegantly stated, i'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question. >> now and then you're going say something that did not come out right. in this case i said something completely wrong. i absolutely believe that my life has shown that i care about 100%. and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. and this whole campaign is about the 100%. when i become president it will be about helping the 100%. >> did i say 47%? i meant 100%. i'm surprised he didn't go with 110%. how did the conservatives feel about this? from the club for growth, massive right wingers who are against any tax increases said this. there was nothing there to give us great concern. but we'll be watching what he does if he becomes president. now, in other words i hear you big guy, go ahead and lie all you need to. we know when you become president you're going to do exactly what we tell you to do. that's the problem. now let's figure out what went wrong with president obama's debate. for that let's bring in an epic po
's some of what he said about his tax plan and the economy. >> romney: i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. my view is we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class but i'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. we have 23 million people out of work. or stop look for work in this country. >> eliot: here's how the obama campaign responded to some of the claims. with an ad released this afternoon that relied on fact checkers. >> mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes but he hasn't said which or how many. so the verdict here the simply incomplete. >> eliot: by the way that 23 million unemployed claim is also incorrect. off by only eight million people. romney also attacked the president on the obama care issue. >> romney: cut $716 million from medicare to pay for it. i want to put the money back in
automatic tax increases and mandatory severe budget cuts know as sequestration go into effect and if that happens many economists are predicting that we could head into another recession. for advice on how the president and congress can avoid going over the fiscal cliff and hopefully can all just get along, for that we turn to washington and norm ornstein. norm is a resident scholar and coauthor of "it's even worse than it looks." welcome back inside "the war room," norm. >> it's always great to be with you, jennifer. go tigers. >> i love having you on. it's so great. so without scaring people tell us what happens come january 1st if no budget deal is reached. >> we get a perfect storm. people often think about the sequesters which is cuts in spending that congress basically hatch together to -- in the aftermath of the debt-limit crisis -- >> jennifer: to prevent this very thing from happening. >> yes, but as we approach the vice presidential debate paul ryan viewed it as a great triumph. but the fiscal cliff is more than that, it is the expiration of
to not pay federal taxes part of the 47%. oh irony thy bitter pill. mitt romney is leading among the 47% he derided in ohio. really, what can he do? what can governor romney do at this point in the campaign to turn it around? can he be funny? should he get an earring? get his hair done? what could he possibly do to try to change his fortune? i want to know what the bill press listeners think. we're at 1-866-55-press. is there any way mitt romney can win this or is he really in the lead and as dick morris and sean hannity have said, all of the polls are lying and all of the polls are fraud because it is such a liberal media. so we want to know what you think. give us a buzz at 1-866-55-press. and let's have a listen, if we can to a very fascinating piece of audio. mitt romney's garbage man who i presume, isn't part of the 47% but he's a hard working american citizen. i would imagine he's union. i would hope he is. and they tracked down one of mitt romney's sanitation workers. let's give a listen to this audio.
of people who will see highing tax bills next year. every wage earner will see a 2% boost in taxes taken out of their paychecks. that means a $1,000 tax hike on every middle income families and it could cost a million jobs and clip a .05 percentage point. yet the white house allows it to laps. even nancy pelosi said we should let it end and most republicans opposed it from the beginning. the cut payroll taxes benefited folks who spent the money and stimulated the economy. contrast that with tax breaks for high incomes who are given to people who are wealthy enough to set it aside. sure the tax cut policy was to be temporary, but so were the other tax cuts by george bush. the middle class needs champions who are just as vehemently as those who serve the top 1%. unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, i'll get into cohen to dish on all 36 current housewives, and still have time left over for bethany. >> eliot: with things looking bleak for mitt romney, the campaign is in need of a new strategy. some of the romney camp sees an opening. as written in the wall street journal. the biggest calam
's not the problem. the problem is that the math does not add up. if you give a 20% tax cult cut across the board and they will take away home mortgage deductions from the middle class that adds up to trillions of dollars in deficit why? because the giant tax cut for the rich. that's why he doesn't want get into the math, and that's why romney will have a tough time at the debates. facts are not on their side. obama has boxed them in on so many issues, highways been right wing. they can't criticize him from the progressive so they have to go further right. >> it is hard to understand why speaker boehner would walk away from this kind of deal. >> this used to be a republican idea by the way the individual mandate. it's like they have amnesia. >> i will close guantanamo. >> i believe we need to look forward as opposeed to looking backwards. >> n.a.t.o. will maintain an enduring commitment. >> we then offer additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs. >> this is a targeted focused effort at people who are on a list. >> there are a lot of republican who is are puzzled as to why it couldn'
these tax breaks that they get, we are playing for these tax breaks. we need roads, police, et cetera, and as long as we allow them to pay 13% when they should be paying much more, they are taking health care away from children, that need -- the family can't take them to the doctor. they can't pay for utilities, et cetera, and so forth, and they need to understand, you know, once they get all of our money, they are going to destroy us. so they really need to change their attitude about what is going on here. >> stephanie: yep, i hear you honey. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: sometimes i'm distracted by headlines while i'm talking. michele bachmann, we must ban filafel in school lunches. >> scarborough: oh, sweet jesus! >> stephanie: she claims that that and other foods of that origin should be removed from school lunches. >> stephanie: she may be beaten this time. wow, you would finally be rid of that [ censor bleep ] and her big gay husband. >> i have just been told by kobe at current that the filafel story was a parody. >> stephanie: oh, okay.
you know how much sheldon adelson would get under mitt romney's tax plan? a savings of over $2 billion, 22 million versus $2 billion. that's just one guy. that's the real big bird. now, that's not all. how about bush's tax cuts no romney wants to extend them and add 20% on top. if you just extended the bush tax cuts it would add a trillion dollars to our deficit. why? mcmitt romney is looking out for the rich speaking of which, how about the iraq war? mitt romney was in favor of it, the entire republican party. how much did that cost? is this estimates have it as high as $5 trillion. and you're talking to me about big bird? you're talking to me about big bird? $22 million you want to cut and your dumb ass war cost $5 trillion. your tax cuts for sheldon adelson cost $2 billion. i'm not having the conversation about big bird and cutting down his nest until we talk to the other guys first. on the essence of that, the obama campaign is right. >> when we come back, the republicans are so loathesome they've now got a lobby to make sure that we are not protected from cancer. >> we have 15 hom
stated the things he should have said i'm going to have that $5 trillion tax cut. i understand that obama had a bad debate, didn't do what he was supposed to do but mr. romney lied. >> bill: you are absolutely right. again, i compared romney's debate performance to the ryan speech in tampa. it was a good performance but it was packed with lies. i think the entire media was focusing on stage craft and performance or entertainment or acting ability and not on the substance of what they said. on the substance of what he said mitt romney simply did not tell the truth about the $5 million, about health care, about a whole lot of stuff. kevin in chicago, kevin getting rid of big bird good idea? >> caller: yeah, my granddaughter is four years old, so i'm ul up to speed on big bird. and it brings back memories of when my kids were young. >> bill: same here. >> caller: it is just an example of the crap that comes out of his mouth. they don't realize the value of putting something on tv for the kids to watch -- >> bill: and learn, yeah. >> caller: and the whole indu
to go back and if we close more taxes and close loopholes and do things that i think we should do, it will the economy will grow faster. >> eliot: in terms of europe where the austerity approach it getting the biggest macro-approach in history and driving rates up across southern europe and budget deficits that are getting worse and worse. i don't see where mitt romney's argument has traction. it seems to me that the stimulus of the policy, traditional economics that barack obama has followed it seems to be working. neil, what am i missing here? >> romney has a point. things could be better. i don't know if they could have been made better, and that stimulus should have been bigger and if it has to do with the problems in the houseing market. there is a big target on the back of obama because of failed housing. there are not that many new arguments that romney can hang his hat on but that's an area that we have not seen exploited. >> i think you're right. if there has been one enormous failure policy, it's the mortgage and the number of homeowners who are underwater, meaning that
into both his tax reform proposal and plans for the middle class. yesterday, he finally offered up an idea saying in order to pay for his reform each taxpayer would have a limit on how much they could deduct. the number he threw out was $17,000 and compared that to a bucket saying you can take whatever deductions you want but once you hit $17,000 that's it. we heard his plan for undocumented immigrants. he would not revoke the temporary limitations adopted by the president but if elected there would be no more protections. we're coming back after the break. >> i wouldn't be where i am today if it wasn't for capella university. i go to work every day and know that i make a difference. when patients leave this office they have hope in their eyes. it make me feel like i'm really doing what i was meant to do. they have given me the tools that i need to be the best "me" that i can be. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> announcer: broadcasting across the nation on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." >> bill: karl rove accuses >> good morning. i'm jamal simmons in for bil
taxes. >> those are your words, not mine. >> wow. >> stephanie: wow. [ baby crying ] >> maybeby doesn't like -- oh no. >> god. >> stephanie: that's his job is like official whiner of the cam bane. [ whining ] >> he is asking questions. you are not supposed to do that. >> stephanie: yeah, people like a week ago were saying the polls were wrong, and now that they are tightening it's now -- oh look -- >> perfect. [ applause ] >> stephanie: we sort of fell down on the job in that whole polling conspiracy didn't we? are americans just stupid jim said? and then the headline pops up man dies after live roach-eating contest. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: the polls tightening in florida -- >> well it is florida -- >> just after one debate -- >> stephanie: i know romney has been running one of the most disastrous campaigns in history -- [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: i'm looking forward to the vice presidential debate. >> yeah. >> stephanie: i think ryan is doing a dudy in his pants. someone has changed his nappy. >> you can't ask me questions. [ baby crying ]
on it. >> zing. >> marginal tax rate should be cut to 20%. >> stephanie: know when it says real comedy, call them zingers. john in las vegas. carol burnett did not say i'm glad you enjoyed my zingers. >> when she started her career in comedy, they were referred to as zingers by a minor portion of the -- guys who used to work in radio. >> like rosemarie. >> i've got a couple of zingers for you there mitt. we've got a couple of zingers for you. i wrote them down on some note cards. you can whip them out if you have a heckler. >> john, please. >> i made it up myself. >> stephanie: john in las vegas. >> caller: i didn't. to interrupt. i'm sorry. >> stephanie: that's okay. >> caller: i think the romney campaign is going to bring up this 2007 youtube video of the president the day before the debate then we could maybe bring up his religious practices and part of that is that when he dies, if he's a really good guy and he wears his magic underwear real tight and he ties everything -- tithes everything he can h
around the country this past year promising $5 trillion tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. >> romney is rolling out new campaign ads as well as new talking points over the next few days and weeks. his goal is to convince the american public that he is ready to be president. more coming up live after the break. stay with us. matter. >> i wouldn't be where i am today if it wasn't for capella university. i go to work every day and know that i make a difference. when patients leave this office they have hope in their eyes. it make me feel like i'm really doing what i was meant to do. they have given me the tools that i need to be the best "me" that i can be. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> announcer: broadcasting across the nation on your >> announcer: broadcasting across the nation, on your radio, and on current tv. this is the "bill press show." >> good morning, and welcome back to the "bill press show," i'm jamal simmons, not bill press. i was here a couple of days ago and happy to be back. i'm here with my good friends, peter ogburn is in the back controlling -- >> t
is the military b is public broadcasting, and it represents like .001%. >> but ending the bush tax cuts that's -- >> stephanie: yeah. and we end with rush. >> biden says we want to let the tax cut expire. see you are supposed to be satisfied that the increased tax payments from the rich go to government. that's supposed to make you happy. when i hear stuff like that it's like how can anybody has an iq over that of a pencil eraser. >> stephanie: wow. i think the vast majority of the american people think we shouldn't have tax cuts for the rich, right? >> yeah and limbaugh's complete inability to understand how joe biden might be reelected again, or barack obama, we see this over and over again, just cannot understand incomprehensible, because they have been listening to the rhetoric for the last couple of years. and here they are, three or four weeks away. so they can't figure it out, and that goes back to the jobs conspiracy, polling conspiracy digging up videos from five years ago. these are all dilutional break-downkind of ways. they are trying to understand what is happen
-- how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class has been buried the last four years, how in lord's name can they justify raising their taxes? >> jennifer: so biden of course supposed to help with white middle class voters. his comments about the middle class being buried were -- he was talking about romney's plans to raise taxes on the middle class. but the right and their surrogates are out having press conferences about this right now, probably as we speak. is that kind of going to hurt? >> actually, i think if you ask the voters, i think joe biden proved what's great about joe biden. he gets it. he's in touch. you know what? 80% of the voters agree. this economy has been bad. people have been buried. that's why they want to elect a president and a vice president who get it. who are in touch and will have policies that help the middle class, not millionaires. so i agree with the vice president. i think 88% of the voters would agree, too. >> jennifer: i just love joe biden. he's just -- he's just
served their time. they're tax-paying citizens credibilitying to the economy and many are veterans and they should not be prevented from voting. >> cenk: a lot of republicans will turn around and say democrats, they want criminals to vote and that's why they want the criminal vote. that sucks. that's ugly, but it might be politically effective. how do you get beyond that? >> first of all let's consider who we're talking about. half of these people, as you point out are non-violent drug offenders. are we to say that for the rest of their lives, which is the law in many states, for the rest of their lives they're barred from voting? and is anyone deterred from committing a crime because they won't be able to vote for four years after coming out of prison? i don't think that will deter anyone. iceland, a country i just visited which has a low incarceration rate compared to us. in iceland and many european countries, not only can inmates vote, they can vote while in prison. they're encouraged to vote. why? they encourage them to remain connected to their community. they're still citize
're going to cut taxes on everyone across the country by 20%, including the top 1%. mr. speaker, you mentioned that your opponent mitt romney had a problem with being dishonest in the primary. my question is was he dishonest when he said that. >> i think it's clear he changed. >> eliot: joining me from washington from "huffington post"'s" bureau chief ryan grim and democratic strategist zerlina maxwell. thank you both for coming tonight. when he needed to think on his feet articulate to respond, he couldn't perform. is the public saying we may not be in love with you the same way we used to. >> i clearly think he has high expectations. he's the guy of soaring rhetoric from four years ago and throughout his presidency, but he has never been a strong debater. the expectations did not meet reality because we're looking to compare him to his speeches and not his debate performances which never were stellar. >> eliot: it's one thing no idea no vision, not even a defense of his own record. >> i agree. >> eliot: when you go into a debate you defend your record, and present your vision, he
didn't invest in. and he got rid of them before he had to get his tax return in. some were swiss banks that had direct ties to iran. >> bill: yeah look -- >> caller: i really think this guy is going to put us back to war. >> bill: he is the guy who said we should have not have ended the war in afghanistan, and he said yesterday we should not have ended the war in iraq. i think you are right. we start sending arms to syria, we are talk about a major new war. mitt romney that's what he wants. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ i.q. will go way up. how are you ever going to solve the problem if you don't look at all of the pieces? >>tv and radio talk show host stephanie miller rounds out current's morning news block. >>you're welcome current tv audience for the visual candy. >>sharp tongue, quick whit and above all, politically direct. >>you just think there is no low they won't go to. oh, no. if al gore's watching today... ♪ >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." >> bill: it is 33 minutes after the hour. this is tuesday october 9th. we're talking forei
or someone who is not going to cut taxes for the rich. hopefully they'll be iowa ticketed to the process that this is the opportunity for us to write down our story and fortune generations. when we don't show up, and when we don't use our voice it's shameful when you think about it on the larger scale. it was not that long ago. 47 years ago bloody sunday in birmingham. we're becoming almost 100 years of women and having the right to vote. seeing amazing opportunities to say what would he have done if he had twitter. how much would you--for someone who is a brown woman, to be able to vote today. just the difficulties and suffering that had to pass before i could get to this position. and it feels like an honor to be in this position now and credit that work that came before me, and take it to the next level. >> gavin: talking about taking it to the next level the biography about steve jobs is an international best seller. exactly one year after steve jobs died, i asked about his legacy and what has changed this year but first a quick break. unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> the idea
the for a. he's taking the incentive away. the bottom 60%, what are the tax breaks they get? they got 20% of the tax breaks. so you know they're 60% of the country but they only got 20% of the tax breaks. let's look at where sam zell is, they got 24% of the tax breaks. they got more tax breaks than the bottom 60%. what do they do? they say, can you believe what the bottom is getting in terms of tax breaks from the government is subsidizing their way of life. no they're subsidizing your way of life. >> the world is not a zero-sum game. if i succeed, it doesn't mean that you don't. i succeed because i'm driven, and i take the risks and deal with it. >> cenk: well, of course if you don't succeed and you drive the tribune company into bankruptcy, and you do it all on your own? you run an s-corporation which means you don't pay the same taxes as a regular corporation. look at that, you save $1.8 billion. you might say there is a good reason for a s-corporation but you got a $1.8 billion tax break. so don't tell me how the government didn't help you. now, to the idea well, this is not a zero-s
the truth about the tax plan. even the obama campaign admitted it wasn't true. >> jennifer: actually i'm going to ask this one of karl, because the romney campaign isn't telling anybody whether the ad is running. >> i think it's disenginous and ironic that they would release an ad calls lying, and not tell anybody where it is returning. if you want to give 20% tax cuts to every american that is $5 trillion. what is difficult is to get really detailed on romney's plans when they are not laid out specifically. so what you find from the fact checkers is that they are not being completely accurate but they always put in there the disclaimer, but it's difficult because we don't know what romney has said. the president should continue to hammer it home, and he needed to do a better job by articulating where he came up with the $5 trillion mark. >> jennifer: i agree. he needs to be specific about what he could do. and michelle, the super pac supporting the president, they have a new ad going after how mitt romney is going to pay for the tax cuts for the wealthy. >> take
really? >>tax cuts don't create jobs. the golden years as the conservatives call them, we had the highest tax rates, and the highest amount of growth, and the highest amount of jobs. those are facts. >>"if you ever raise taxes on the rich, you're going to destroy our economy." not true! obama has a dream. that the cities colonialism be set right, and america be downsized. >> it has been a long time coming, but tonight because of what we did on this day, on this election, at this defining moment change has become to america. >> jennifer: well that's a clip from "2018: obama's america." it's actually produced by dinesh d'souza. it's a documentary that examines president obama's early years for his alleged anti-capitalist beliefs. it has already earned nearly $33 million, which makes it the second-highest grossing documentary in history, behind michael moore's fahrenheit 9/11. a new tv movie is set to air on the national geographic channel just two days before the election. coming to us tonight from los angeles to discuss is alonso duralde. alonzo is author and film critic
should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. the economy is in more trouble today, so why is he in favor of raising taxes now, if he was opposed to it a year ago. >> stephanie: it's despicable. >> america's mayor everyone. if rich people hired more people when they had more money, we would have like an unemployment rate of zero at this point. rich people are doing so much better than they have ever done before, their tax rate is lower than it has ever been. they should be hiring people up the wa-zoo at this point. >> they are in china. >> yeah. and people like rudy giuliani get jobs to go on television, and if anybody should be unemployed it should be him. >> stephanie: that's right. thank you karl frisch. love you, mean it. >> all right. talk to you soon. [ applause ] >> stephanie: i'm sleepy this morning. bee in virginia. we have instant pundits all morning long. hi bee. >> caller: hi, i have three points. one, i don't believe in the right putting rapists and child molesters over victims. so even if mitt romney puts his poo on a cake i don't have to eat
for tax cuts for the richest and callousness for the47%. the duck and cover the duck and cover that we see is an awareness on the part of the romney-ryan team that their programs are not popular with the american people. they're fudging as fast as they can. >> eliot: let's talk politician. you're right. he began as a moderate governor, who knows what he really thinks in his heart of hearts, none of us can really know. he moves so far right to the primary season then amazed everyone when he chose paul ryan as number two. that was signing an oath of allegiance to the far right. that was not going to work and then he swings back to the middle. why did it take him this long to realize this? >> the republican party has many factions and fractions. they're losing and they're coming back for this election. mitt romney is a vehicle. you pointed out obama's hall in the money front. i read that romney is hauling in for the debate. he wants deregulation and benefits for the .01%. you're seeing that happen, and the tea party is willing to sit back and be quiet because they want to a winning candidate.
with bain. then the tax return issue. then the 47% tape which is a self-inflicted wound by the romney campaign. the aggregate effect of all of this has metastasized. people just don't like mitt romney. maybe intentionally unfair but how does he reverse that and on economic issues, if we don't feel he relates to us, how does he turn that around? >> i think voters think the obama agenda failed. the stimulus bill that was signed with great fanfare not far from here in denver, colorado, i think people see as a failure. people have rejected, i think the polls show, his healthcare reform bill. but i think that governor romney is finally making the pivot to making this a choice election. we know that the obama campaign has wanted to do that all along. i never did agree with the obama campaign or the romney campaign in trying to make this just a referendum on obama. that was never going to work. they're making the pivot now. i think governor romney has the opportunity in denver tomorrow night and in subsequent deba
's not showing his tax returns. do you think that those kinds of issues are going to come up in a town hall debate? >> it's hard to know, you know. town hall debates are really quirky. it is a little hard to know what's going to come out of the mouths of the participants and of course, we haven't actually seen the rules yet. the way they did it last time was the town hall people had to get there in the afternoon a couple of hours early. they wrote out their questions and the moderator picked the questions from what had been submitted. i'm not sure that's the way they're doing it this year but it's a tougher one for the candidates to gain because you can't predict the subject matter. >> jennifer: all right. well that's alan schroeder author of presidential debates 50 years of high-risk tv. thanks so much for joining us inside "the war room." coming up, our next big debate lie is so outrageous, it actually makes my eyes twitch when i hear it. so i apologize for that beforehand. you're watching "the war room" on current tv
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